Libertarian Party?   4 comments

The Libertarian Party isn’t really a conservative party. It’s a fiscally conservative party that advocates for leaving the other guy alone. On the surface, I like that idea, but I’ve got some reservations.

I agree that government exists to protect the rights of every individual and should not be engaged in choosing groups of individuals for special protection.

First, I have some good friends who were strong members of the Libertarian Party for over 20 years who withdrew several years ago because of the LP stance on the legalization of drugs and abortion. As a Christian who believes that murder is murder even if the victim is pre-born, I don’t think I can vote for people who say it doesn’t matter. I don’t find the constitutional argument for privacy holding any water in this instance. Our founders never would have agreed that murder was okay so long as it was private. The taking of human life is murder. Maybe I wouldn’t be comfortable with women and doctors who perform abortions being prosecuted as aggressively as people doing driveby shootings, but I still hold with the moral concept that abortion is murder and that the Constitution doesn’t give us a special right to commit murder under special circumstances. “All men are created equal” except if “they’re a black person living below a certain geographical line and then they’re not.” That was a special right granted white southerners by the Supreme Court and it was still wrong.

I agree that the military is way larger than it needs to be and that the United States should not attempt to act as global police officer, but when researching the LP, I also believe we must maintain our ability to wage war on foreign soil and not just react after the fact to aggression that comes against us. I believe that stance will leave us at the mercy of our enemies, fighting on Main Street USA instead of “over there”. We shouldn’t get involved in the wars of others and we shouldn’t pick fights just because we can, but why shouldn’t our enemies be the ones who suffer the consequences when they start wars with us rather than us having to rebuild?

I strongly disagree with allowing an open-borders immigration policy on the grounds that the United States has a right and obligation to its current citizens to protect them not only from military foreign invasion, but also from cultural foreign invasion. The United States of America will not remain the United States of America if we allow ourselves to be overrun by citizens of other countries who have no interest in assimilating to our culture. Even legal immigration needs to be measured to allow for assimilation of new immigrants without overwhelming the existing culture. Immigrants should add to our culture, not transform it.

So, while there are parts of the LP platform that I agree with, I cannot agree with enough of it to feel comfortable with it.

I think I’m beginning to understand why third-parties have such a hard time in national political races.

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  1. Why stop at protecting citizens from “cultural foreign invasion”? Why not also protect them from ideological invasion (ban foreign books and ideas), linguistic invasion (we all have to speak English and with an American accent), technological invasion (no use or adoption of foreign technology), economic invasion (no buying of foreign goods that puts Americans out of work), religious invasion (expel atheists and non-Christians), artistic invasion etc, etc.


    • I take your point, but I don’t agree with it. Ideas don’t (cannot) harm us. We are free to accept or reject ideas and the confrontation of new ideas is a strengthening intellectual exercise. We either modify our own stances to adapt to the new information or we become stronger in our stance in opposition to the new information.

      Physical invasion … which is truly what is happening on our southern border — takes away opportunity from American citizens. Our minimum wage laws mean that Americans cannot (legally) take work for below that rate of pay, but illegal immigrants can, so many low-wage Americans (including and especially teenagers who are the ones who would normally fill these below min jobs) lose out on the opportunity to work and gain valuable employment skills. This costs them personally because they’re essentially forced to continue schooling hoping that at some point their education will make them legally employable (hence the huge student loan debts some of them have), but it also costs the country (especially state and local governments) a great deal of money in taxes. These illegals also consume government-provided benefits. And, it’s been shown that about 1/4 of all the income in Sonora actually comes from the United States. That’s money that was generated in the US largely through the efforts of Americans, but does not get invested in the community that generated it. Trust me, Alaskans know what that does to an economy (though, in our case, it’s Americans screwing us).

      The larger issue is the cultural and political one. The Southwest has always had a thriving Hispanic community and they add a (IMO) welcome flavor to our nation. Americans of Hispanic heritage have greatly enriched our country’s culture. All you need do is look at Mexican political history and see that they copied their constitution from the US Constitution and yet their history is nothing like ours. It’s violent, it’s hugely partisan, it’s torn apart by “democratic” bipolar swings, and its people live in poverty in large part because of those political issues. When immigrants come to the United States to become Americans, they make a concerted effort to understand our culture and political system and that effort enriches our society as much as it enriches them, but when they come to the country illegally, they tend to hold onto the values of their country of origin and instead of enriching our country, they form groups like La Raza which is dedicated to turning the southwestern US into a province of Mexico.

      I have no problem with LEGAL immigration, but just as I wouldn’t adopt the burglar who came into my house last night and make him a family member, I reject the notion that our borders should be open for every drug dealer and field hand that wants to come is welcome. We’re going to lose the American form of government and devolve into the instability of Mexico if we continue on the path that we’re on.

      I might be willing to revise my opinion if Mexico opened its borders to Americans, but they haven’t and they won’t because almost every other developed nation in the world has caught onto the realization that uncontrolled immigrant in a democratic nation results in a mass transformation of your culture and political systems and it never works out well. England, France, and the Netherlands have had their immigrants rioting and destroying the infrastructure that citizens built.

      You know, the theory of open-borders sounds so altruistic, but practically speaking, it hasn’t worked out well for other countries and it’s not working out well for us.


    • I rather think speaking English with a French accent would be kind of cool. Just saying, but….point, match, Game to AuroraWatchAk.


      • The point I would make it that I am not anti-immigrant. I’m also not Anglo-centric. My mother was an American Indian afterall. My grandfather was born in Sweden. I have always and deliberately belonged to ethnically diverse churches. My children’s Mama-no is a proud American citizen who was born in Columbia and both kids speak Spanish because I asked her to teach them (my own Spanish has a decidedly Alaskan accent).

        I am opposed to uncontrolled immigration because I haven’t seen open borders work well in any democracy. England, France, the Netherlands are all struggling with how do you hold onto what is good in your culture or government when your society has been flooded with those who do not understand your system and actually resent and/or hate your culture. It’s a struggle that’s just starting in the US, but will get worse.

        I will also note that we’ve been here before. When my husband’s Irish ancestors flooded in, there was a societal backlash. It really wasn’t about the Irish. There’d been a similar, smaller migration of Irish (who formed the other half of my mother’s ancestry) about 50 years before that. The struggle was not against ethnicity, but against so many workers coming in, taking away jobs from those who had lived here all thier lives and imposing their culture on the American culture. That culture included some of the same issues that we now have with Mexicans. There was a lot of violence, a lot of pushy behavior, a lot of drugs (drinking). They tended to congregate in enclaves and expect the surrounding culture to put up with their behaviors. They also were slow to adopt American political mechanisms — preferring to bribe government officials rather than vote. And, btw, that’s not me saying that — it’s my husband’s uncle who decided to study his own cultural background.

        The solution at the time was to slow immigration down, thus blunting the cultural destruction. We were able to absorb the Irish and later the Italians and Eastern Europeans because after each large in-migration, we slowed it down and gave ourselves and our new societal members time to adjust.

        The difference is that the South Americans just keep flooding in because there’s no perceivable attempt to control it. If we go with the anmesty that Congress wants, these people become citizens without assimilating and by mid-21st century — oddly enough, just about the time that federal entitlements eat the economy — we’ll become Mexico del Norte, whether we vote against it or not. That’s not a good thing, given Mexico’s history.


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